On Thursday, January 12, The Washington Post broke the news that President Trump made derogatory comments (which The Voice has decided not to print due to their profanity) about El Salvador, Haiti and some African countries while negotiating a bipartisan immigration deal. The derogatory words shocked public all over the world. But what did the President Trump mean by saying that?
We asked the professors of Political Science of Fayetteville State University Dr. Kofi Johnson and Dr. Ngozi Kamalu to express their points of view on this ambiguous issue.
The Voice: What do you think about this issue?
Dr. Kofi Johnson: I think my perspective on this situation is not conventional to a lot of people, but as someone from Africa I think he is honest. He wants African leaders to clean up their countries. Some people may say Mr. Trump is derogatory, but I look at it from another angle. If somebody gives me a chocolate that contains poison, and he says: “I am giving you this chocolate, it contains poison. If you want to eat it, eat it.”- I like such a person. But if a person gives me a chocolate knowing that it is poisonous, without telling me that it is poisonous – that is the type of person I don’t like. I believe that Donald Trump has been honest to tell African leaders that they cannot continue like this, they should keep their countries good to reduce migration to other countries. Even if they do, they will probably go there only for vacations, but not for a living. As Trump said, people from Norway didn’t migrate because they have beautiful country with good lifestyle that every country wants to imitate.
V: Do you think that by saying that Mr. Trump encourages these countries to develop themselves, so that they become better places for living?
KJ: Yes, that is the way I look at it. I don’t look at it negatively. These countries do not prosper because the leaders are corrupt there. That is the reason why people are running away from Africa to come and settle in a place where their talents are not recognized.
V: Donald Trump is known to use impolite expressions, so some people believe that it was said in a fit of frustration. They consider it as a way of showing his concern about the future of the United States. What do you think about it?
KJ: I believe he said those words because of frustration and he doesn’t know how to convey this message to the African leaders. Trump was elected to make America great, to do good for America. Trump wasn’t elected to bear the burdens of other countries. He was elected to make sure that unemployment is reduced in his country, to make sure that the Americans are living better lives. He wasn’t elected to go out to make the world beautiful for everyone; he wants to make the world good for America, that’s what he is preaching. To me, there are only few people that like him. No matter what he says, even if he gives millions to third-world countries, they will still hate him. Trump doesn’t have this kind of charisma to be liked by people because he tells what he thinks about everything. He isn’t diplomatic. He doesn’t laugh and smile so that you can love him, he just wants to have the work done. He believes he knows what he wants, he focuses on what he wants for Americans, and he doesn’t focus on what he wants for the world. It is America first.
The Voice: First of all, I would like to ask you if you have heard about Donald Trump’s comments about El Salvador, Haiti and some African countries regarding bipartisan immigration deal?
Dr. Ngozi Kamalu: Yes, I have heard about Donald Trump’s comments about El Salvador, Haiti and some African countries. We need Haitians in America because: they need special protection as victims of January 2010 earthquake; Haitian farmers participate and provide needed labor and workforce in H-2A and H-2B federal guest working program; Haitian citizens in the U.S. provide critical skills as doctors, nurses, teachers, engineers, and architects in American service delivery establishments; and employed Haitian immigrants pay taxes.
V: Donald Trump is known to use impolite expressions, so some people believe that it was said in a fit of frustration. They consider it as a way of showing his concern about the future of the United States. What do you think about it?
NK: I think Donald Trump made these derogatory statements not out of frustration or mistake but in a calculating manner. He is known to exhibit racist tendencies. For examples, the President said after the August 2017 White supremacist demonstration in Charlottesville Virginia: “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides”. By so doing he not only equated the White supremacists with counter and anti-discrimination agitators but condemned any actions and reactions against white supremacy.
V: As a specialist of political science, how do you think, how will this incident affect the relationships between United States and other countries?
NK: Donald Trump’s utterances and policies will damage U.S. relations with other countries, particularly those in Africa, the Middle East and Latin America, who view their countries, cultures and citizens insulted. Furthermore, such countries would believe that Trump policies would make their citizens in America vulnerable as well as victims of discrimination based on race, religion, ethnicity and nationality.